Guess THE FAITHFUL are now under the strictest instructions to shun you like the Imp of Satan you undoubtedly are, Mark.
What was with the disappearing post with the "image" of you a night or two back at what Crazed Rabbit calls "Of Course I Must Be Right"? While he's about it, maybe Father sH could post, for our adoration, an image - a post-pubescent one, at any rate - of his own fair face.
A whole different story, but you might have fun following it.
oofty, a few days ago he posted the name, address, and phone number of a person I had never heard of claiming it was me. Then after that he posted a picure and other information of a person under a heading like 'Tulsa troll exposed.' He had a man's picture which was definitely not me. I believe such posting are illegal.
I tried to check the picture etc today but MP has blocked me from his blog.
As they said about Watergate, the cover up is worse than the 'crime.'
I am truly amazed that those perpetrating the coverup are lacking the bravery to own up to a mistake. We all make mistakes, but MP and crowd are afraid.
Lapin (Roger), I'm surprised you'd pick a nom d' plume like oofty goofy. So unlike you. And mp didn't post the address. It was me. And since then I ran a full background check and got the real one. Funny thing is they give other stuff too like employment, family, neighbors. Amazing what you can get on the web these days.
I'm still wondering why the URL of both of your blogs uses variations on the name John H or John HH if you're not him. Does he know you're doing this? Does he know you've created a blog that discusses a town you claim not to live in?
So much fun to be had this morning - walk the dogs; hot coffee; now this. I can see, Yeah Whatever, where OG's apparent literacy, relative to the subliterate drooling that characterizes a fair amount of what I'm reading right now, might mislead you. In light of which, I'll take this as a compliment - thanks, YW. Last summer, perhaps in a passing paranoid moment, your Fearless Leader - reasoning, I guess, that no more than one individual in the universe could be down on him at a given moment - concluded that I was posting confused twaddle under the pseudonym "Brad". Couldn't have been wronger, as I guess even he eventually realized.
Different matter and a deadly serious one - the "I know where you live" tone of the portion of your post that is addressed to Mark - and maybe to "Roger"? ("I ran a full background check and got the real one[Mark's address]. Funny thing is they give other stuff too like employment, family, neighbors"), combined with the immediate preceding admission, relative to incorrect, now deleted, personal details posted earlier at "Of Course I Must Be Right", that "It was me", constitute a confession of cyber-stalking. A Federal crime, YH? Something for Mark to look into at his leisure. The address from which your post was transmitted can be ascertained easily enough by the appropriate authorities.
While - difficult though you may find this to believe, Mark - the majority of Fr Hagger's posters are very excellent people, individual inmates occasionally get a bit odd. The "I know where you live" approach can be disturbing. I learned this a couple of years back when a hyped-up drama queen Fr Jonathan regular, enraged at being disagreed with, threatened that her boyfriend, just a couple of states away, was charged up to stop over and sort me out. As memory serves, that post also swiftly and mysteriously vanished, so no point in looking.
Let's hope that Fr Hagger has the sense to realize the danger that this sort of camp-follower behavior poses to his own standing and moves to nip it in the bud.
Oofty, I don't know what MP is posting about "me",as he has blocked me from his blog. I just know the two people he cited as me were totally absurd. NO CONNECTION at all.
My blog gives more personal information about me and my family than any blog I've see. I have used different names to be sure because of blackmail threats by a couple of bloggers.
My family is very upset about my blogging. They fear some may be dangerous. Yes, I am married, two children(one deceased), two grandchildren (12 and 7 years), Three guys my wife and I help---they are afraid of the MP crowd and possible blackmail.
Be that as it may, the loyalty of the MP crowd to their 'leader'does shock me. These followers mask themselves as Christians. It seems a complete sham.
It is also interesting that I sent two of my friends to MP because I thought Anglicats might be friendly and helpful. Unfortuneately some of the MP gang---well shit on them.
I was on an Episcopal vestry for several years. But if MP and Mark Harris are typical, I'm glad none of the young men are Anglicats>
Maybe there are some good folks at the MP 'community.' But all I've seen is blind loyalty to the mad one.
Well my conscience has bothered me about this all day. My apologies. I'm not worried about Lapins threat (I'm not so sure that's possible) but, arguing or not we are supposed to be Christians here. Even in a fight we are supposed to live up to something like Christ's example and I didn't. I didn't look any information up. I said it and I was lying to bluster. To keep the argument going or whatever. This argument with you and mp doesn't involve me. That was an unChristian thing for me to say. My apologies. I'm going to back away from this fight and try to remember its Lent.
Let me make something clear: I generally agree with MP point of view. BUT his posting material on other people claiming they are ME(yes it should be I) gets way out of line.
I cannot get on his blog to see what other probably falsehoods he is peddling.
And yes, I am a bit hacked over his 'community' not making comments when I believe they know his charges are false. As Welch said to McCarthy: Have you no decency.
My dispute with MP was clearly shown until he deleted much of the material.
Well, I don't know what you're expecting of people, Marky-mark.
If people are consistent readers of a writer's blog, then it stands to reason they are going to banter with him and kid around with him and be very friendly.
If you are choosing to interpret that as "hero worship" that's your lookout.
It really would behoove you to pray, in Christian charity, for the well-being of Rev. Jonathan and his wife. Remember, it would be towards your own credit in heaven.
Don't worry about the motes in his eyes; you aren't an opthamologist anyway. Concern yourself first with the beam in your own. Cleanse your heart of resentment and be willing to make a new start.
By the way, as I remember things, one of the young men who came to Jonathan's blog did get verbally abusive of some of Jonathan's regulars. Has this young man's conduct been addressed? You really cannot complain of the behavior of another person if someone in your own household behaved just as poorly. My memory of the event is sketchy, but didn't one of these young men viciously swear at Doxy and Sue? If that is the case, would you not expect Jonathan to take measures to protect his regulars on his own blog?
heartofruth, You are quite right, the young man did say some tough things.
AFTER he had been called 'president of the small penis society.
AFTER he as told by doxy that he had beoken in her house, place his feet on her table, and demanded a drink
AFTER doxy refered to him as a rich spoiled brat.
AFTER he ask three times whether he could ask a question and was told he could. Indeed he was invited to post a question
BTW doxy told MP to refuse the young man access to the MP blog. MP then block access. We then offered to let one of MP's most devoted followers review the situation; but never heard back.
Loyalty is a great trait, spreading lies is not.
I repeat again. MP and community, have you no decency
Well, as I remember things, his entrance onto the blog was in a manner that was...rather suspicious. He did seem like just another troll that looked like he was out to bait MP and all the people on the blog. Remember that trolls often stopped by MP's blog to be disruptive, and for all any of us knew, this person was no different.
heartofruth,sometimes I think you are trying to be fair.
But then you say the young person was like a troll. What does that mean?
The questions the young men ask had no marks of a troll. You say they COULD be trolls.Totally false!! And poor reasoning. They COULD have been Russian spies. "Could have" is meaningless.
I have three blogs I check each day. And go days and weeks without commenting.
My friend, you are just repeating what the 'community' tells you to say. Well, at least, it COULD be such.
Am I mad,yes. I despise the RC's attitude on sexual matters. I recommended MP site because I wanted to show the young men there were other positions.(Take that in a good light:)
And then the MP lies started. Yes, I was "showing" off my almost lifetime religion. And the result;the incredible smear. I did not know the 'community' would respond with ugly smears.
And the folks at MP and MP himself specialize in "who can be nastier."
But then you say the young person was like a troll. What does that mean?
It means something in his approach sounded very obnoxious and trollish. Something in the way he phrased his question and something about how he addressed other people came across as rather obnoxious and rude and like someone who talks about sex to bait other people.
The questions the young men ask had no marks of a troll.
I'm sorry, but that is not something that is entirely up to you to determine. Something their "tone" or the way they presented their thoughts came across as very trollish.
I don't see why that's so difficult for you to understand.
But on the other hand, since this is a family member of yours, perhaps you are too emotionally blind to see that this person could possibly do anything wrong or out of line.
You really are sounding hysterical, like people in MP's community murdered your family member.
And you desperately need to calm down. I don't know how to put it with any more clarity than this.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
And do not turn it back on the community; you had a choice to not start bashing MP in your blog. But you did not take that choice.
You really need to own up to the fact that you are behaving worse than a spoiled teenager right now; I saw the note from that woman who said her 15 year old grandchild acts more mature than you do.
You really must cease and desist. Otherwise, the same laws you keep citing about defamation might be turned against you as well for all the things you're posting here.
In the name of the living God, and by all the powers and principalities of heaven, you must stop this and take all the ugly entries you have made about MP and all the other people down - this is the only way to peace.
MP took his entries down.
You need to take yours down.
If you do not, you are not really a Christian.
The blood of Jesus wiped the slate clean for all of us. If he was willing to do this for us while we were yet sinners, can you do any less?
And if, as you say, "we all make mistakes" then it is incumbent upon you, especially as a Christian, to forgive MP and all of his friends for the "mistakes" they have made.
Even if they don't ask for that forgiveness.
Our Lord forgave his tormentors from the very cross itself. Since you are a believing Christian, you must do no less.
All else in the Christian life is lost if the greatest lesson, forgiveness, is ignored.
Our Lord told us that we are to forgive those who wound us "seventy times seven."
You haven't forgiven even once.
You are not supposed to sit here and say "but he hit me first!" It is your Christian duty to simply forgive - immediately, on the spot as it were.
You don't make the harmer grovel and beg for it. You just do it out of Christian mercy, as a way of mirroring Christ's mercy to us.
You can do nothing less.
Otherwise, as I said before, you forfeit your identity as a follower of Christ Jesus completely. You are basically apostate. This is your Christian duty. There are no other questions about it. There are no legitimate protestations you can make about it.
You are currently putting your pride first, not Christ and not the things Christ would do. This is idolatry.
heartofrut, I see what you are saying and I appreciate your advice.
But should those who were lied about, have the obligation to apologise to those who spread untruths. I believe I know MP and his community enough to know that our apology would be met with great joy by MP and the 'community'---they would exclaim-"see we were right."
My blog is open to all. MP bars those he disagrees with.
I would be most happy to drop this matter if MP or the 'community' would admit the obvious facts---that they intensionally or UNINTENSIONALLY made a mistake.
heartofruth, I don't think you know MP.So I repeat: I thought the sinner ws to repent. Have you ask this of MP and the gang. If so what was their response?
I have laid out what happened and MP and the 'community' continue in their ways. Their responses are nothing but more falsehods.Pure name calling.
And then to post false personal information shows a lack of Christian concern.
Listen, friend, I don't like the idea of older folks smearing a young man who came to MP with sincerity and then to be S... on.
I CAN'T post on his blog. He has blocked me. My blog is open.The only think I ever deleted in several years of blogging is when I deleted a address for some person I had never seen or heard of.MP claimed it was me. And he did it again with accompanying picture of some person I had never seen.
I think what you say has merit. But allowing the MP style of deception should be corrected, don't you think? MP as you know now deletes all comments that do not bow down to him.I have no way of knowing what he is saying.
Mark, you've got a single loose cannon here - one of Miss Jean Brodie's crème de la crème straining to score points with Dame Maggie. Best just let it lie.
I think you are sincere, but have noticed to this point you have even suggested that MP and the gang are anything but pure as driven show.
So I ask again, have you ask MP to correct the falsehoods he is spreading.Your comments are directed only to what someone has told you transpired.The continual mistakes and the crude response about me on MP's blog are shocking, especially for one wrapped in clerical garb.
The essences of the critical failings of MP responses and the responses of his gang cannot be---well MP is a good guy so swammi to here. MP and the gang have gone way too far. And now, my friend, you want me to be obsequious and beg his forgiveness.
I let him say anything on my blog. Do you not think it strange he bars me and others from his blog so they cannot respond to malicious comments.
I do appreciate your interest, but to ask me to take the insults of MP and not response seems to be neither Christianity or justice.
Because what you're doing is also being a witness to the younger generation coming up behind you. This is teaching them what Christians do.
Like I said, I look at the example of Jesus on the cross. "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." He didn't say to them, "Repent and our Heavenly Father will forgive you!" He made intercession for his assailants right away.
At the risk of overworking Matthew 23, which Fr Troll was having a little fun with yesterday, there's also the Jesus who said "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness".
Obviously you ban anyone who doesn't kiss your arse. Look at your comments---I could at one time---you allow no one that doesn't slobber over your greatness.
And parading your sermons---well they at least get your 'community' in a state of org...
BTW, what is your explanation as to why you have been a complete flop in your churh.
MadPriest, why was I banned? I was hurt! Seriously! But again, Anglo-catholic bitchiness came to the scene and Leonardo STARTED WRITING in CAPITALS And you never answered my question: Why the disproportionate number of gays in the clergy?
I just don't see how a person can sit here and pass judgement on whether or not a person is a "real Christian" when he is engaging in tremendously un-Christian behavior himself.
This is a very interesting post, and the comments are also fantastic to read. I’ll have to have a little re-think about my own contact form on our new website, as this poses some interesting questions! study abroad
Guess THE FAITHFUL are now under the strictest instructions to shun you like the Imp of Satan you undoubtedly are, Mark.
ReplyDeleteWhat was with the disappearing post with the "image" of you a night or two back at what Crazed Rabbit calls "Of Course I Must Be Right"? While he's about it, maybe Father sH could post, for our adoration, an image - a post-pubescent one, at any rate - of his own fair face.
A whole different story, but you might have fun following it.
oofty, a few days ago he posted the name, address, and phone number of a person I had never heard of claiming it was me. Then after that he posted a picure and other information of a person under a heading like 'Tulsa
ReplyDeletetroll exposed.' He had a man's picture which was definitely not me. I believe such posting are illegal.
I tried to check the picture etc today but MP has blocked me from his blog.
As they said about
Watergate, the cover up is worse than the 'crime.'
I am truly amazed that those perpetrating the coverup are lacking the bravery to own up to a mistake. We all make mistakes, but MP and crowd are afraid.
Lapin (Roger), I'm surprised you'd pick a nom d' plume like oofty goofy. So unlike you.
ReplyDeleteAnd mp didn't post the address. It was me. And since then I ran a full background check and got the real one. Funny thing is they give other stuff too like employment, family, neighbors. Amazing what you can get on the web these days.
I'm still wondering why the URL of both of your blogs uses variations on the name John H or John HH if you're not him. Does he know you're doing this? Does he know you've created a blog that discusses a town you claim not to live in?
ReplyDeleteNot all of us spend the day sitting at our computers typing notes for you.
ReplyDeleteSome of us have other things to attend to, or fun things to do during the day. What a pity you don't.
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ReplyDeleteSo much fun to be had this morning - walk the dogs; hot coffee; now this. I can see, Yeah Whatever, where OG's apparent literacy, relative to the subliterate drooling that characterizes a fair amount of what I'm reading right now, might mislead you. In light of which, I'll take this as a compliment - thanks, YW. Last summer, perhaps in a passing paranoid moment, your Fearless Leader - reasoning, I guess, that no more than one individual in the universe could be down on him at a given moment - concluded that I was posting confused twaddle under the pseudonym "Brad". Couldn't have been wronger, as I guess even he eventually realized.
ReplyDeleteDifferent matter and a deadly serious one - the "I know where you live" tone of the portion of your post that is addressed to Mark - and maybe to "Roger"? ("I ran a full background check and got the real one[Mark's address]. Funny thing is they give other stuff too like employment, family, neighbors"), combined with the immediate preceding admission, relative to incorrect, now deleted, personal details posted earlier at "Of Course I Must Be Right", that "It was me", constitute a confession of cyber-stalking. A Federal crime, YH? Something for Mark to look into at his leisure. The address from which your post was transmitted can be ascertained easily enough by the appropriate authorities.
While - difficult though you may find this to believe, Mark - the majority of Fr Hagger's posters are very excellent people, individual inmates occasionally get a bit odd. The "I know where you live" approach can be disturbing. I learned this a couple of years back when a hyped-up drama queen Fr Jonathan regular, enraged at being disagreed with, threatened that her boyfriend, just a couple of states away, was charged up to stop over and sort me out. As memory serves, that post also swiftly and mysteriously vanished, so no point in looking.
Let's hope that Fr Hagger has the sense to realize the danger that this sort of camp-follower behavior poses to his own standing and moves to nip it in the bud.
Roger Mortimer, Columbia, SC
Oofty, I don't know what MP is posting about "me",as he has blocked me from his blog. I just know the two people he cited as me were totally absurd. NO CONNECTION at all.
ReplyDeleteMy blog gives more personal information about me and my family than any blog I've see. I have used different names to be sure because of blackmail threats by a couple of bloggers.
My family is very upset about my blogging. They fear some may be dangerous. Yes, I am married, two children(one deceased), two grandchildren (12 and 7 years), Three guys my wife and I help---they are afraid of the MP crowd and possible blackmail.
Be that as it may, the loyalty of the MP crowd to their 'leader'does shock me. These followers mask themselves as Christians. It seems a complete sham.
It is also interesting that I sent two of my friends to MP because I thought Anglicats might be friendly and helpful. Unfortuneately some of the MP gang---well shit on them.
I was on an Episcopal vestry for several years. But if MP and Mark Harris are typical, I'm glad none of the young men are Anglicats>
Maybe there are some good folks at the MP 'community.' But all I've seen is blind loyalty to the mad one.
Thanks for your interest.
Nonies? What on earth does that even mean?
ReplyDelete"We all make mistakes"
ReplyDeleteExcept you, apparently - you are perfect and your name actually should be "God", so it seems.
"nonies" is for those who don't give the name of the person commented.
ReplyDeleteI make plenty of mistakes, like sending person to the MP blog. Where, if they don't kiss MP's ass they are smeared or deleted.
Good practice for you "Christians" I worship God; the "nonies" worship MP.
Well my conscience has bothered me about this all day. My apologies. I'm not worried about Lapins threat (I'm not so sure that's possible) but, arguing or not we are supposed to be Christians here. Even in a fight we are supposed to live up to something like Christ's example and I didn't. I didn't look any information up. I said it and I was lying to bluster. To keep the argument going or whatever. This argument with you and mp doesn't involve me. That was an unChristian thing for me to say. My apologies. I'm going to back away from this fight and try to remember its Lent.
ReplyDeleteanon 2, I appreciate your comment.
ReplyDeleteLet me make something clear: I generally agree with MP point of view. BUT his posting material on other people claiming they are ME(yes it should be I) gets way out of line.
I cannot get on his blog to see what other probably falsehoods he is peddling.
And yes, I am a bit hacked over his 'community' not making comments when I believe they know his charges are false. As Welch said to McCarthy: Have you no decency.
My dispute with MP was clearly shown until he deleted much of the material.
But more later.
Might be an opportunity for everyone to consider cooling things down a bit?
ReplyDeleteI can assure you, none of the posts have had anything to do with you at all.
ReplyDeleteWell, I don't know what you're expecting of people, Marky-mark.
ReplyDeleteIf people are consistent readers of a writer's blog, then it stands to reason they are going to banter with him and kid around with him and be very friendly.
If you are choosing to interpret that as "hero worship" that's your lookout.
#2, Ilove to "banter". But telling lies as the truth goes a little far wouldn't you think?
ReplyDeleteI can't see what MP is posting because he blocks me? I thought he liked to "banter."
Certainly you do not believe telling a young man he is not welcome at the blog, and calling him rather vicious things is real christian charity?.
AND remember, the young man was INVITED to come on the blog. Does that mean nothng to you and the MP.
What about breaking the law by posting false personal information about a person on a blog?
So who IS Brad?
ReplyDeleteIt really would behoove you to pray, in Christian charity, for the well-being of Rev. Jonathan and his wife. Remember, it would be towards your own credit in heaven.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry about the motes in his eyes; you aren't an opthamologist anyway. Concern yourself first with the beam in your own. Cleanse your heart of resentment and be willing to make a new start.
By the way, as I remember things, one of the young men who came to Jonathan's blog did get verbally abusive of some of Jonathan's regulars. Has this young man's conduct been addressed? You really cannot complain of the behavior of another person if someone in your own household behaved just as poorly. My memory of the event is sketchy, but didn't one of these young men viciously swear at Doxy and Sue? If that is the case, would you not expect Jonathan to take measures to protect his regulars on his own blog?
ReplyDeleteheartofruth, You are quite right, the young man did say some tough things.
ReplyDeleteAFTER he had been called 'president of the small penis society.
AFTER he as told by doxy that he had beoken in her house, place his feet on her table, and demanded a drink
AFTER doxy refered to him as a rich spoiled brat.
AFTER he ask three times whether he could ask a question and was told he could. Indeed he was invited to post a question
BTW doxy told MP to refuse the young man access to the MP blog. MP then block access. We then offered to let one of MP's most devoted followers review the situation; but never heard back.
Loyalty is a great trait, spreading lies is not.
I repeat again. MP and community, have you no decency
Well, as I remember things, his entrance onto the blog was in a manner that was...rather suspicious. He did seem like just another troll that looked like he was out to bait MP and all the people on the blog. Remember that trolls often stopped by MP's blog to be disruptive, and for all any of us knew, this person was no different.
ReplyDeleteheartofruth,sometimes I think you are trying to be fair.
ReplyDeleteBut then you say the young person was like a troll. What does that mean?
The questions the young men ask had no marks of a troll. You say they COULD be trolls.Totally false!! And poor reasoning. They COULD have been Russian spies. "Could have" is meaningless.
I have three blogs I check each day. And go days and weeks without commenting.
My friend, you are just repeating what the 'community' tells you to say. Well, at least, it COULD be such.
Am I mad,yes. I despise the RC's attitude on sexual matters. I recommended MP site because I wanted to show the young men there were other positions.(Take that in a good light:)
And then the MP lies started. Yes, I was "showing" off my almost lifetime religion. And the result;the incredible smear. I did not know the 'community' would respond with ugly smears.
And the folks at MP and MP himself specialize in "who can be nastier."
The winner is obvious--MP and the 'community.'
But then you say the young person was like a troll. What does that mean?
ReplyDeleteIt means something in his approach sounded very obnoxious and trollish. Something in the way he phrased his question and something about how he addressed other people came across as rather obnoxious and rude and like someone who talks about sex to bait other people.
The questions the young men ask had no marks of a troll.
I'm sorry, but that is not something that is entirely up to you to determine. Something their "tone" or the way they presented their thoughts came across as very trollish.
I don't see why that's so difficult for you to understand.
But on the other hand, since this is a family member of yours, perhaps you are too emotionally blind to see that this person could possibly do anything wrong or out of line.
You really are sounding hysterical, like people in MP's community murdered your family member.
And you desperately need to calm down. I don't know how to put it with any more clarity than this.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
And do not turn it back on the community; you had a choice to not start bashing MP in your blog. But you did not take that choice.
You really need to own up to the fact that you are behaving worse than a spoiled teenager right now; I saw the note from that woman who said her 15 year old grandchild acts more mature than you do.
You really must cease and desist. Otherwise, the same laws you keep citing about defamation might be turned against you as well for all the things you're posting here.
In the name of the living God, and by all the powers and principalities of heaven, you must stop this and take all the ugly entries you have made about MP and all the other people down - this is the only way to peace.
ReplyDeleteMP took his entries down.
You need to take yours down.
If you do not, you are not really a Christian.
The blood of Jesus wiped the slate clean for all of us. If he was willing to do this for us while we were yet sinners, can you do any less?
And if, as you say, "we all make mistakes" then it is incumbent upon you, especially as a Christian, to forgive MP and all of his friends for the "mistakes" they have made.
ReplyDeleteEven if they don't ask for that forgiveness.
Our Lord forgave his tormentors from the very cross itself. Since you are a believing Christian, you must do no less.
All else in the Christian life is lost if the greatest lesson, forgiveness, is ignored.
Our Lord told us that we are to forgive those who wound us "seventy times seven."
You haven't forgiven even once.
You are not supposed to sit here and say "but he hit me first!" It is your Christian duty to simply forgive - immediately, on the spot as it were.
You don't make the harmer grovel and beg for it. You just do it out of Christian mercy, as a way of mirroring Christ's mercy to us.
You can do nothing less.
Otherwise, as I said before, you forfeit your identity as a follower of Christ Jesus completely. You are basically apostate. This is your Christian duty. There are no other questions about it. There are no legitimate protestations you can make about it.
You are currently putting your pride first, not Christ and not the things Christ would do. This is idolatry.
Do not be an idolator.
heartofrut, I see what you are saying and I appreciate your advice.
ReplyDeleteBut should those who were lied about, have the obligation to apologise to those who spread untruths. I believe I know MP and his community enough to know that our apology would be met with great joy by MP and the 'community'---they would exclaim-"see we were right."
My blog is open to all. MP bars those he disagrees with.
I would be most happy to drop this matter if MP or the 'community' would admit the obvious facts---that they intensionally or UNINTENSIONALLY made a mistake.
Have you ask the MP crowd to speak the truth?
But you have missed my point.
ReplyDeleteJesus Christ didn't make people grovel or apologize or crawl.
You shouldn't either.
He simply forgave even while he was on the cross and people were mocking him. While We Were Yet Sinners he died for us.
He forgave while we were at our height in sin.
It is incumbent upon all Christians to do the same - seventy times seven.
I'm quite serious. More to the point, so was Jesus Christ.
Even while you are in your moment of agony, let it go.
ReplyDeleteLet go of the resentment.
Let go of the anger.
Let go of the desire for vengeance. The Lord has told us that vengeance is completely up to Him; it is not our job.
Forgiveness is really for ourselves, for our own good. Do yourself a favor and start working on forgiveness.
heartofruth, I don't think you know MP.So I repeat: I thought the sinner ws to repent. Have you ask this of MP and the gang. If so what was their response?
ReplyDeleteI have laid out what happened and MP and the 'community' continue in their ways. Their responses are nothing but more falsehods.Pure name calling.
And then to post false personal information shows a lack of Christian concern.
Listen, friend, I don't like the idea of older folks smearing a young man who came to MP with sincerity and then to be S... on.
You posting similar stuff at Fr Hagger's blog, heartoftruth, or is this a one-way street?
ReplyDeleteI CAN'T post on his blog. He has blocked me. My blog is open.The only think I ever deleted in several years of blogging is when I deleted a address for some person I had never seen or heard of.MP claimed it was me. And he did it again with accompanying picture of some person I had never seen.
ReplyDeleteI think what you say has merit. But allowing the MP style of deception should be corrected, don't you think?
MP as you know now deletes all comments that do not bow down to him.I have no way of knowing what he is saying.
Mark, you've got a single loose cannon here - one of Miss Jean Brodie's crème de la crème straining to score points with Dame Maggie. Best just let it lie.
ReplyDeleteYou know what you have to do.
ReplyDeleteIt is there.
MP can be a very forgiving man. I've seen it.
The slate has been wiped clean on one side...
Dame Maggie? No, just God.
ReplyDeleteIf it is wrong, then tell me why.
heartofruth,
ReplyDeleteI think you are sincere, but have noticed to this point you have even suggested that MP and the gang are anything but pure as driven show.
So I ask again, have you ask MP to correct the falsehoods he is spreading.Your comments are directed only to what someone has told you transpired.The continual mistakes and the crude response about me on MP's blog are shocking, especially for one wrapped in clerical garb.
The essences of the critical failings of MP responses and the responses of his gang cannot be---well MP is a good guy so swammi to here. MP and the gang have gone way too far. And now, my friend, you want me to be obsequious and beg his forgiveness.
I let him say anything on my blog. Do you not think it strange he bars me and others from his blog so they cannot respond to malicious comments.
I do appreciate your interest, but to ask me to take the insults of MP and not response seems to be neither Christianity or justice.
I'd think about it anyway.
ReplyDeleteBecause what you're doing is also being a witness to the younger generation coming up behind you. This is teaching them what Christians do.
Like I said, I look at the example of Jesus on the cross. "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." He didn't say to them, "Repent and our Heavenly Father will forgive you!" He made intercession for his assailants right away.
Let a new day begin.
At the risk of overworking Matthew 23, which Fr Troll was having a little fun with yesterday, there's also the Jesus who said "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness".
ReplyDeleteLapinbizarre was banned from OCICBW.. for being a twat.
ReplyDeleteMP,My, My, aren't we a bit judgemental??
ReplyDeleteObviously you ban anyone who doesn't kiss your arse. Look at your comments---I could at one time---you allow no one that doesn't slobber over your greatness.
And parading your sermons---well they at least get your 'community' in a state of org...
BTW, what is your explanation as to why you have been a complete flop in your churh.
I'm kind so I won't spell it out.
"....but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness".
ReplyDeleteYour slip's showing, Jonathan.
Could be worse, Lapinbizarre. Some people have been fired for being twats.
ReplyDeleteMadPriest, why was I banned?
ReplyDeleteI was hurt!
Seriously!
But again, Anglo-catholic bitchiness came to the scene and Leonardo STARTED WRITING in CAPITALS
And you never answered my question: Why the disproportionate number of gays in the clergy?
I just don't see how a person can sit here and pass judgement on whether or not a person is a "real Christian" when he is engaging in tremendously un-Christian behavior himself.
ReplyDeleteheartofruth,are you suggesting MP is "acting" as a Christian?
ReplyDeleteWhat I am suggesting is that St. Paul was correct when he said that we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory.
ReplyDeleteBy virtue of his baptism, just as I was baptized and just as you were baptized, he is a Christian.
That's sufficient for me.
Why do you hide then? Thinking of offering a 5000 bet on some of the things you claim about my blog. Game?
ReplyDeleteThis is a very interesting post, and the comments are also fantastic to read. I’ll have to have a little re-think about my own contact form on our new website, as this poses some interesting questions!
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